Deep Analysis: Deep Analysis - Glengarry Giants
Matt Poirier, aka TwoPuckCanuck on the DobberHockey forums, was the second winner of our contest. His team league is deep!
This is Matt’s first H2H league, so he expressed some uncertainty about how his team would fare. He says his draft strategy was to take a goalie early, then go for the Best Player Available. He’s a little concerned about the age of his defense.
He’d like to go for the win this year, but thinks the competition will be stiff. If not this year, then soon!
Format: H2H League – Daily Line ups, Full Dynasty (keep all), 20 Teams and no max GP
Rosters: 23 player pro roster, 12 player prospect roster - 3 Centers, 3 Right Wings, 3 Left Wings, 4 Defensemen, 1 Goalie, 1 Utility and 8 Bench Spots
Scoring categories: Goals, Assists, Points, Powerplay Points, Shorthanded Points, +/-, Hits, Game Winning Goals, Blocked Shots, Penalty Minutes, Wins, Saves, Goal Against Average, Save %, Shutout
Number of keepers: Keep All – Full Dynasty
Hosting service: Yahoo!
Roster slot GP: No limit
Draft: 35 round snake draft – draft lottery for order in inaugural year – ONLY 5 man prospect draft every year after inaugural
Season add/drop limit: 30
Trade deadline: Same as NHL Trade Deadline
The Team:
C: Ribeiro, Weiss, Ott, Gaustad
LW: Kovalchuk, Morrow, Cole, Smyth, Landeskog
RW: Brown, Doan, Brouwer, Vrbata, Condra
D: Chara, Seabrook, Pitkanen, Clitsome, Lydman
UTIL: Cooke
G: Lundqvist, Lindback, Bishop
Farm: Da Costa, Lander, T. Johnson, Danault, Howden, Avtsyn, Telegin, N Deslauriers, Marincin, Orlov, Gudbranson, Rundblad
A Look at League Strategy:
First stop is a look at the scoring system.
This league is a head-to-head multi-category league, which means either you want to go for balance -- our preferred route because it lets you weather slumps and injuries – or you target specific categories. Because it’s based on weekly H2H matchups, there is bound to be scoring volatility that skews the result a bit… but that’s just the nature of the beast. There are 15 scoring categories in this league, so if you take the approach of just going for the most points, you’re going to be left in the dust.
Goaltending represents 5/15 scoring categories, which is one third of the total for a week. With just one goalie starting position, it quickly becomes obvious that spot is critical to success. Three of the five goaltending categories are ones that are likely improved by playing your goalie (W, SV, SO) whereas SV% and GAA could get hurt by additional starts.
When first trying to wrap your head around a league, it’s important to understand how the different positions are valued relative to each other. We’ve got your back on that one, with the League Breakdown, which shows the average owner player at each position and gives you rough targets for each category. For Matt’s league, it looks like this:
Position
G
A
P
+/-
PIM
PPP
SHP
GWG
BKS
HITS
W
GAA
SV
SV%
SO
C
23
38
61
3
44
18
1
4
37
71
-
-
-
-
-
LW
25
31
55
3
43
14
1
4
27
84
-
-
-
-
-
RW
25
33
58
2
47
17
1
4
30
82
-
-
-
-
-
D
9
32
41
2
48
16
1
2
111
88
-
-
-
-
-
G
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
35
2.38
1,598
0.92
5
What does this tell us about strategy in this league?
Hits, blocks, and PIM are a huge source of value in this setup. They do not typically correlate with the rest of the scoring categories that most GMs intuitively understand and target – so this is a major opportunity to differentiate a roster.
As is the case for many leagues, centres are generally less valuables that wingers, though because this is such a deep league, the spread is fairly narrow – on average, a centre would put up approximately 5 more points than a winger.
The average owned defenseman in this league produces 41 points, which is relatively high. There are two equally valid ways to interpret this: there is a great deal of talent available at D so you’d better have strong options in order to stay competitive or it’s relatively easy to find scoring at D so focus on the rest of your roster first.
As there’s only one goalie starting slot, despite this being a 20-team league, the average goaltender in this setup performs rather well.
Having top-notch goaltending is critically important in this league, as it’s 33% of the scoring in just one roster spot. It would be wise to ensure that the goaltender you’ve got for that starting spot is very strong, and since it’s daily starts, you’d have a significant advantage by having more strong goaltending on the bench.
The Team:
Let’s look at Matt’s roster. We’ve generated rankings customized for this specific league setup using last year’s statistics as a benchmark. Why last year’s stats? Mostly because we don’t want to give away Dobberhockey’s 2011/12 projections for free in this article – they’re available to HockeyPoolGeek subscribers, though. A summary of the players and their stats and total HPG value are found below. We’ve also given a sneak peak of the players’ HPG value using Dobberhockey’s projections.
2010/2011 SEASON
Dobber 2011/12
Player
POS
GP
G
A
P
+/-
PIM
GWG
PPP
SHP
HITS
BKS
HPG
HPG
Value
Value
Ribeiro
C
82
19
52
71
-4
28
4
23
0
95
33
17
8
Weiss
C
76
21
28
49
-9
49
1
19
2
52
44
-17
-5
Ott
C
82
12
20
32
-9
183
4
10
4
252
44
61
28
Kovalchuk
LW
81
31
29
60
-26
28
9
21
0
28
12
3
29
Morrow
LW
82
33
23
56
-3
76
5
13
1
225
43
50
30
Cole
LW
82
26
26
52
-1
49
9
8
2
225
34
52
5
Brown
RW
82
28
29
57
17
67
2
15
0
300
29
59
51
Doan
RW
72
20
40
60
5
67
6
21
0
172
28
55
30
Brouwer
RW
79
17
19
36
-2
38
5
13
0
262
36
8
23
Chara
D
81
14
30
44
33
88
2
15
2
153
111
83
40
Seabrook
D
82
9
39
48
0
47
1
20
2
227
154
67
55
Pitkanen
D
72
5
30
35
-2
60
1
12
0
66
130
-3
0
Clitsome
D
31
4
15
19
2
16
0
10
0
67
29
-67
-2
Cooke
LW
67
12
18
30
14
129
2
0
6
192
39
46
2
Starting Skaters
294
Gaustad
C
81
12
19
31
7
101
3
2
1
128
44
-15
-45
Smyth
LW
82
23
24
47
-1
35
2
14
0
25
18
-37
-34
Vrbata
RW
79
19
29
48
5
20
2
17
0
42
22
-25
-29
Condra
RW
26
6
5
11
-1
12
2
1
1
4
21
-103
-54
Lydman
D
78
3
22
25
32
42
0
2
0
141
178
10
-30
Landeskog
LW
N/A
-31
Rundblad
D
N/A
-39
Now on to the goalies:
2010/2011 SEASON
Dobber 2011/12
Player
GP
W
GAA
SV
SV%
SO
HPG
HPG
Value
Value
Lundqvist
68
36
2.3
1,813
0.92
11
101
26
Lindback
22
11
2.6
527
0.92
2
-156
-128
Bishop
7
3
2.8
151
0.9
1
-214
-136
That’s a fairly good-looking starting roster – most of the HPG values are above zero, which means that this team is a better-than-average team for this league. It won’t be a perfect correlation with the individual stats because it doesn’t capture the distribution in each category, so the HPG team ran the numbers for the whole league based on Dobber’s 2011-12 projections and here are the estimated finishes based on a whole-season setup.
To make this happen, we treated it as a rotisserie league – since the only difference between that setup and this one is that a rotisserie league looks at the totals in each category based on a whole-season finish, whereas because this is an H2H league that has weekly matchups, there will be statistical noise (ie weird short-term aberrations) that causes a slightly different result.
Team
Estimated Total Roto Points
Goodyear
231
Glengarry
230.5
Urbana
225.5
Boston
219.5
Lethbridge
201.5
Lancaster
198.5
Sin City
177.5
Glendale
173.5
Sheros
172
York
169
Aurora
166.5
Huntington
163.5
Buffalo
155
Sacramento
148.5
Columbus
120
Vancouver
111
Calgary
92
Thunder Bay
86.5
Montreal
71
Orlando
37.5
This is based on a few rough assumptions:
- Dobber projections for 2011-12
- That live rosters stay intact for the whole season (which they won’t)
This confirms to us that the Glengarry Giants should be a strong challenger for the title. How can the team improve? Using the Team Evaluation Tool, we can get a feel for which stat categories are a need. The tool analyzes a league setup to determine approximately what value in each category would get you to the top of the heap in that category, and then compares that target value to what the roster (including the probable contributions from the bench) will likely produce.
We unfortunately can’t show you the detailed results because it would mean giving away Dobber’s projections for all these players. We can, however, give a summary of the scoring categories that Matt needs to focus on:
Priority
Category
Selected
Required
Remaining
1
W
41
64
23
2
SV
2006
2876
870
3
P
879
1123
244
4
PPP
277
349
72
5
A
536
706
170
6
G
343
417
74
7
BKS
1065
1174
109
8
+/-
40
57
17
9
GWG
53
67
14
10
SO
9
10
1
11
SV%
0.922
0.92
-0.002
12
SHP
21
19
-2
13
GAA
2.26
2.38
-0.12
14
PIM
1149
965
-184
15
HITS
2590
1728
-862
There are two needs being pointed out by the Team Evaluation Tool: more goaltending, and extra scoring (G, A, P, PPP). It’s good to know what areas of the roster that Matt can deal from, and hits stands out here! The Glengarry Giants would be a team of tough competitors, and should be able to deal off some of that hitting and PIM to address their other needs.
What about the H2H aspect of this league? How can that come into planning for the future? A few extra GP make a huge difference on a roster when it comes down to playoff crunch time, so let’s see what kind of an edge we might be able to eke out by looking at the NHL schedule. From March 12 to April 7, 2012 – the last three weeks of the season, and the most important weeks in the head-to-head schedule – certain teams have a better schedule than others:
11 GP: BOS, FLA, MIN, NYR, PIT, SJ, TB*, VAN
10 GP: BUF, CBJ, DAL, DET, EDM, LA, NSH, NJ, NYI, PHI, TOR, WSH, WPG
9 GP: ANA, CAR, CGY, CHI, MTL, OTT, PHX, STL
8 GP: COL
Tampa also has 4 games in the last week of Yahoo H2H playoffs.
General Thoughts:
We love this roster – it’s built to compete strongly. While it doesn’t seem all that flashy, this roster is built to produce well in every stat category and will be a contender for the league title.
The team is loaded with grit (especially hits… wow!), which is great for production, but the flip side of that is that it’s bad for trade value because most GMs don’t intuitively perceive extended categories like they do the basic points ones.
The point production depth on the main roster depth isn’t that great, but he has some nice kids. The fact that he might need to do some waiting on them doesn't seem compatible with winning a title... or at least not "efficient" in doing it.
Forwards:
This is a well-balanced group across the categories, but much like the rest of Matt’s team it’s heavy on the grit and light on the firepower. That’s the biggest need we see.
Defense:
It’s pretty clear that Matt’s D is a strength, but not necessarily in terms of point-producing. As with the rest of his roster, it’s an assortment of great hitters and blockers that will add serious value to his team – clearly Matt was paying close attention to the extended categories when he drafted. Adding some more production to the back-end at the expense of some grit would be a strong play.
Matt mentioned to us that he was a little concerned about his defense being old. It’s old? Really? Perhaps there’s a concern about Chara and/or Pitkanen being on their last legs? Both are steady, steady options.
The big concern could be with Chara: after all, he’s the anchor of Matt’s blueline. Don’t worry about Chara! There are two ways players tend to fall off with age: they lose a step or their body breaks down.
Chara has never been good because of his skating, so losing a step likely won't affect his game too much. As for his body breaking down, he's been durable for quite some time... and he's known to be a fitness freak, which should prevent him from needing too much duct tape and WD40 to keep it together.
He's 34 now. I wouldn't expect too much of a change in his game until 38-39... so you've got (at worst) 4 good years out of him. Your team looks pretty competitive, so that's the perfect type of player to have.
With Rundblad and Orlov on the farm, there are good reinforcements coming.
Goaltending:
Matt’s starting goaltender is as strong as it gets with Henrik Lundqvist… but boy it would be nice to have a little insurance, especially with goaltending being so important to the scoring setup. Past Lundqvist there’s a great deal of uncertainty in net… though who knows – either Lindback or Bishop could really surprise. If we were to get behind just one of them, Lindback is a much stronger candidate.
Prospects:
In general, Matt’s farm team is deep at C, but weaker on the wings. We’d much rather see that the other way around.
We did a quick review of his prospects to make sure they’re aligned with team needs:
Player
Team
Position
Dobber Prospect Ranking
Comments
Landeskog
COL
LW
5
Definite keeper, could be on the Giants starting roster this season.
P. Danault
CHI
C
N/A
1st round pick 2011, keep - farm
A. Lander
EDM
C
91
Gritty guy, with good opportunity. Keep.
Condra
OTT
RW
107
Keep– likely see roster time on active roster this season
Avtsyn
MTL
RW
113
Keep
Da Costa
OTT
C
137
May get ice time this season - keep
Howden
FLA
LW
142
Keep
Telegin
WPG
LW
N/A
Rangy winger - keep
Rundblad
OTT
D
1
Definite keeper, could contribute to the Giants starting roster this season.
Orlov
WSH
D
8
Strong offensive skills - keep
Clitsome
CBJ
D
16
Gritty with opportunity to produce this year – keep or maybe trade bait
Gudbranson
FLA
D
17
Big and mean with scoring potential - keep
Marincin
EDM
D
20
Big and gritty - keep
Deslaurier
LA
D
N/A
Dump him – enough D and need the farm roster space
Lindback
NSH
G
35
Studly backup for now, and the Preds breed good goalies. Goalie Guild Rank 2nd in goalie prospects and could contribute this year.
Bishop
STL
G
38
Will be NHL starter someday according to Goalie Guild, ranking 23rd in goalie prospects - keep
This is a farm team stocked with well-rounded players that will fill up the scoring categories of this league very nicely if/when they mature. Is that the right approach? Yes and no. Matt’s team is incredibly well balanced but it’s missing that “top gear” offense… so a set of prospects that are well rounded (like the rest of the roster) but also lack high-end skill might just be too redundant. More scoring please! :)
The Next Moves:
Matt has a somewhat “hail Mary” on his roster in Ben Bishop (who know’s how much playing time he’ll get?) but there’s a very compelling option right there on the FA list for him: Martin Biron. Why on earth would we be advocating for Martin Biron?
First off, we think that Henrik Lundqvist will play somewhere in the range of 60-70 games this year. That means that for between 12 and 22 games, someone else will be suiting up for the New York Rangers – and that’s likely Biron. With Biron on the roster, Matt would ensure that he is getting 82 goalie games played, which is more than he can say he’ll get out of Bishop.
Matt’s roster should be very competitive for a title, so we’re left to wonder how much of the assets he has that are focused on the future might be more effective if they were converted to something a bit more productive in the near term.
Looking at the farm, Rundblad and Orlov fill the direct need of scoring from the back end, and they could be producing sooner rather than later. Sounds like a very good succession plan!
We advocate trading Landeskog, or at least shopping him around. In this league setup, he is an extremely valuable prospect: he will be that all-around player that hits, mixes it up PIM-wise. That’s a good thing for this scoring setup… but it’s not a good thing for Matt’s roster at the moment. Matt is loaded with grit, but short on scoring – and Landeskog is loaded with grit but doesn’t look to have the high-end scoring upside that Matt needs.
Furthermore, we think Matt should be in the thick of things during the H2H playoffs where Colorado has a terrible schedule, playing just 8 games in that period and just two during the final matchup! That’s a big disadvantage. In the end, what we see is a player that is not a good strategic fit for this team – Landeskog likely will contribute in a way that doesn’t improve the Glengarry Giants’ performance overall performance, and he won’t be playing much when the chips are down.
To us, Matt’s needs are clear: more scoring from the skaters and more goaltending GP from the bench. This team is competitive now, and should remain so as it has a good balance of producers and a nice pipeline of replacement players. However, Matt’s team has gone so far into chasing multicat performance that it can ironically be improved by just chasing points. :)
The good news is that other teams in the league will have significant need for those type of players, so we’re hopeful that Matt can find some mutually beneficial swaps that will put his team over the top.
Landeskog and Lydman seem to us to be prime trade bait.
Wrapping It Up:
This is a very strong team, so it’s hard to say too much here. Best of luck with the season, Matt!
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